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27
Paul Mooney Vows Not to Use the N-Word
Filed Under Black/African American Issues, Race and Racism, Uncategorized by Rachel
Yes, folks.? I am shocked at this, but I had to post it.? I just watched the Keith Olbermann show, and heard renowned African American comedian/writer Paul Mooney, who has made a career of risque racial humor, has vowed to stop using the n-word and the b-word.? He said he felt so disturbed by Michael Richards’ racist rant at the Laugh Factory that it shocked him into banishing the n-word from his vocabulary. Now anybody who is familiar with Mooney knows that he is really hard to shock, and even recently Mooney has defended the use of the n-word.?
Maybe something? good may come out of Michael Richards racist behavior.? When people hear this word used in its historical context, and it is? connected to lynching. Its power is apparent, and the idea of reclaiming it starts to look futile.? Mooney has frequently defended the use of the n-word; in fact, the last time I heard him was on the Star and Bucwild Show (which has now been cancelled due to a racist and pedophilic threats that Star issued), and the gratuitous use of the n-word was so terrible that I had to change the channel–I never listened to that show again.? Mooney noted that he was trying to take the power out of the n-word by using in his act (and in his comic writing for Richard Pryor), but something snapped in him when he saw Richards.? He realized that the word still had power.
Mooney really is a comic genius, and if he is changing this is a really big step in the Abolish the N-Word Campaign.? I also have to admit that I’m happy to see that he threw in the b-word, too.? I get tired of trying to discuss the use of the n-word every semester
What do you all think?? Do you think Mooney will actually have some influence on people?
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Even though I am loath to support anything headed by frick-and-frack tartuffes Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, I support their campaign (which Mooney has jeopardized his career by signing on to) to abolish the “N”.
Generally, I think it’s an untenable proposition to censor hate speech. But because this word denotes and imputes unprecedented and unparalleled stigma against one race, it warrants an exception.
Indeed, if any black racist out there could come up with a more worthy word than cracker as a retort to the n-word, I would be inclined to withdraw my support….
The b-word=bitch.
Anthony, that’s a good point. There really is no parallel to the n-word. Cracker just doesn’t have the sting or the history.
OK, clearly i’m a cultural illiterate. But what is the “b-word”?
Sailorman: “b-word” = real word for female dog, applied to women. See also, Meredith Brooks’s one-hit-wonder by the same name.
I’m frustrated about the focus on only one part of Richards’ racist rant. Most of what I’ve read reports that he used the n word, but completely omits his horrifying use of a grotesque lynching image and his flaunting of white privilege (”I could have you arrested”
to try to silence the men who heckled him. Honing in on the n-word gives the racists who are defending Richards an easy out: “They use it all the time!” Don’t get me wrong — I agree that no one should use the word. But it’s important to keep pointing out that Richards went much further than just mis-using a word that has currency in pop culture.
Julie, I agree with you on that. We discussed this in class the other day, and one of my students said the same thing. Invoking the image of lynching in order to degrade Black people in really eggregious. The n-word is bad, but he went even further.
I am glad. I agree that hearing the word spewed so viciously by Richards has awoken a lot of people to its historical context. I know people who are more resolved than ever to eradicate the word from their vocabulary.
I hope though, this “shock” isn’t temporary.
Mooney is one of my favorite comedians, and many times I’ve listened to him use the word over-and-over, and although I’ve never thought his use of the word was malicious - like Richards - I was still a little uncomfortable with Mooney using the word so often.
This Richard person’s use of the word nigger is nothing but an underlying syndrome that had gone on for centuries and decades in America. Yes, blacks who use the word nigger are no better than whites who use this word. All the words that a black person can use against white people (i.e., honky/honkie [a corruption of "hunky"'], cracker, whitey, ofay, etc. all pale in comparison.)
And so what that he apologized and cried about getting psychiatric help. What? Now he has people feeling sorry for him for using the most vicious racist slur ever created? And his statement: “Fifty years ago we would have shoved a fork up your ass”, gives credence to the fact that black life is still held cheaply in the good ‘ol USA.
No. Fifty years ago black men were butchered (testicles cut off, fingers, ears, toes cut off while still alive. Body parts kept as souvenirs.) Black men with their eyes peeled back and black pepper poured into their eyes while they were still alive. Black men burned and tortured for hours on end and then slowly burned to death.
Black women gang-raped by white men in the lynch mob, before they were lynched. Black women lynched with their young children.
Pregnant black women having their unborn babies cut out of their bodies while they were still alive, with the live baby’s body tumbling out of the mother’s body, and some brave white man crushing the infant’s head with his boot.
Nigger.
Lynch.
Yes, these sick, sadistic, hated words pale in comparison to ANYTHING that a black American can hurl at white America.
And for blacks to use a word that their ancestors had to fight against shows how low some of the depths they have sunk to.
There is no way that this piece of feces word can ever be taken back. Taken back from what? All the sick filth that America has thrown at her black citizens?
Yeah.
Richards can get all the psychiatric help he can handle, but the point still remains that his racist slurs do not exist in a vacuum.
America’s monstrous hatred of blacks is still apparent. Richards is just a scab over a festering, pustulating putrefaction that has not gone away, and never will.
Nigger.
Yeah, right.
The only “niggers” of the world are the people whose ancestors invented the word nigger.
Ann, your colorful rants, as always, provide a distrubing example of your obsession with the unchangeable, immutable past and a desire to fight a battle that was won 40 years ago.
All Michael Richards had before his explosion was Kramer, now he will forever be the pariah that unleashed a psychotic racist tirade on two unsuspecting hecklers who were just doing what people do when the comedian’s skit is not getting them their money’s worth.
I know no one one who is not disgusted by Richard’s rant, let alone defending or applauding it.
Everyone, not just people left of Lenin, is put off by this, so please don’t go around insinuating the Richard’s represents the racist that you want to think all white people covertly or overtly are.
“Ann, your colorful rants, as always, provide a distrubing example of your obsession with the unchangeable, immutable past and a desire to fight a battle that was won 40 years ago.”
The “battle” is still being fought by your response showing your ignorance and stupidity.
America still has her racists, active and passive.
Oh, I see. America is now truly a land of non-racists? There is no longer segregation in public schools? No longer segregation in urban cities and suburbs? No longer segregation in churches all across America? No racial disparity in prison sentencing? No racist stereotypical images being broadcast around the world by media giant/conglomerates? No red-lining that still exist? No racial profiling of black people?
Everything’s all peachy-kee, huh, Massa Tombstone?
Wow. You must live in the land of Utopia.
And I still stand by what I said concerning the word nigger.
And black people did not invent the word nigger.
Ann said:
“The only niggers of the world are the people whose ancestors invented the word nigger.”
Ann, please tell us why would the people whose ancestors invented the word be culpable and be deserving of being called “nigger”?
I’m sorry Ann, but that is absolutely f’ing insane. Are you actually maintaining that people living today, who have a distant ancestor from 200-300 years ago who came up with the word nigger should be called niggers.
Thomas Jefferson ancestors should be called niggers? Why? Should his white ancestors be called niggers, or his just his black ancestors? or vice versa?
Tombstone trivializes America’s continuing mistreatment of black people, but that is entirely separate and apart from your obsession and desire for some kind of vague collective punishment against “white” people. Its really nothing more than straight up hate.
Its a terrible word and there is no excuse for Richards.
Whoo-hoo!
And they’re all coming out of the woodwork.
Black people did not invent the word nigger.
Black people did not create the sick, sad state this country is still in.
And as for that child-rapist, Jefferson, he would be a nigger, straight-up.
“Nigger”: translation:
-World’s biggest rapist
-World’s biggest thief ( and steal stealing)
-World’s biggest genocidist/murderer (still murdering)
-World’s biggest destroyer of races of peoples and their cultures (still destroying)
-World’s biggest creator of lies
-World’s biggest self-hater
-World’s biggest in living with denial
Put them all together and they spell “nigger”.
Ad the niggers of the world are still not black people.
No, my little LL, there’s no desire for collective punishment for America. America is already paying for all the feces she has done to everyone in the world, both in America and outside of America.
Opne your eyes, my little benighted one.
America is not some innocent benevolent country that has not done wrong.
She is still accumulating blood on her hands.
Only you do not want to face that fact.
Now, does that answer your questions?
Great post!
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Stay Blessed,
Monika Brooks
Oakland,CA
So Paul Mooney is gonna stop using the N-word ’cause he saw the result of Richards’ verbal violence. It took THIS for him to finally see the light? You mean he didn’t know racist language conveyed actual power before? Where the bloody hell has he been?
You know, if it’s this easy, maybe some really beloved male entertainer should attack women with misogynist verbal abuse, then female entertainers will see the light and stop using misogynist language in their music and films and stop accepting misogynist acting jobs. I mean, if the privileged need to knock the oppressed over the head for them to get clear on shit, so be it.
Talk about a colonized mind.
I’m with Julie…there are worse things than the n-word and Richards took it much farther than the use of a single derogatory word.
As far as Mooney goes, I can’t gauge how much influence he’ll have. I’d never heard of him until I saw him on the news declaring that he would no longer use the word. It’s said that it take a blunder by a white comedian to get people to realize that the n-word is not a word to be taken lightly and sprinkled freely throughout everyday conversation. There is no such thing in my mind as “reclaiming” the n-word or difusing its power.
The youth of today (particularly those who luckily will never have to experience overt institutionalized racism on a daily basis AND especially those who AREN’T EVEN BLACK), who use the word as though it means nothing, really disgust me. I cringe when I hear the word used in my father’s vicinity, especially, because he’s a 64-year-old man who grew up in the south and knows what it feels like to be called the n-word and to be spat on and have rocks thrown at him from a bus full of white students. There is no reason ever for ANY person to ever use the n-word.
Oh, THAT b-word. I was having trouble placing it, mostly because (though it’s obviously offensive) it didn’t seem in the same “offense class” as the n-word. though maybe I’m wrong about that, too.
Paul Mooney is a comic genius? Sure didn’t look like it on Olbermann. He seemed remarkably ill-spoken and ineloquent for someone of his purported comedy experience. I was far from impressed with how he handled himself. So no, I don’t think what he said there is going to influence too many people.
I found the Richards rant offensive, but honestly I think a bit much has been made out of it.
I think it’s a bit ridiculous that the word “nigger” has been elevated to new levels of offensiveness to the point where it is now bleeped out. Yes, a news anchor should not be using the word “nigger,” but I see nothing wrong with airing someone else using the word if it’s part of the news story.
I don’t use the word myself, but I do realize that words can have different meanings depending on who is using them. As a black man I sure as hell wouldn’t call a white person a “redneck,” but Jeff Foxworthy does this all the time. Other examples abound.
LL,
“Im sorry Ann, but that is absolutely fing insane. Are you actually maintaining that people living today, who have a distant ancestor from 200-300 years ago who came up with the word nigger should be called niggers.”
There are distant ancestors who made themselves “rich” 200-300 years ago from spilling other people’s blood (either enslaving them or taking their lands) and made everybody in their family rich for generations. Would you call their current descendants “rich”?
I think Ann’s point may have been that as far as a bunch of people that the term “nigger” should have been applied to, those ancestors fit the bill (using today’s sensibilities) a lot more than those slaves did.
I still don’t see what the big deal is over the use of the word. There is SO MUCH to be done in the black community to recover from the shock of the 1619-1963 period that the use of a word seems miniscule in comparison. It will take generations to recover.
Carrington,
Good post. Although, even if it took Kramer to wake Paul Mooney up, at least he’s awake now!
[...] Forgive me if I’m not sufficiently rejoicing. You see, just a few weeks ago Mooney told CNN reporter Carol Lin that “if a white person calls me that [the n-word] it doesn’t bother me…cause I like a little salt on my cracker.” He continued to defend his usage with miserably weak justifications like “It doesn’t mean anything now[…]it’s much to do about nothing, it’s just a word.” As Rachel S. noted yesterday over at Rachel’s Tavern: Mooney has frequently defended the use of the n-word; in fact, the last time I heard him was on the Star and Bucwild Show (which has now been cancelled due to a racist and pedophilic threats that Star issued), and the gratuitous use of the n-word was so terrible that I had to change the channelI never listened to that show again [my emphasis]. Mooney noted that he was trying to take the power out of the n-word by using in his act (and in his comic writing for Richard Pryor), but something snapped in him when he saw Richards. He realized that the word still had power. [...]
No Ann, it doesn’t answer my question, in fact it is not even remotely responsive to my question.
You said -
The only niggers of the world are the people whose ancestors invented the word nigger.
who are these people you are referring to?
if you are going to say things like that you ought to have an explanation.
and. . .
I’m not that “little”
ANN WROTE: And as for that child-rapist, Jefferson, he would be a nigger, straight-up.END QUOTE
Ann, do you also refer to muhammad in such a way?
After all, he had sex with nine year-old Aisha and owned slaves.
arab muslims were and still are responsible for more racism and genocide than any other group of people. That’s a historically verifiable fact. The genocide still continues in places like darfur, Thailand, Indonesia, Turkey, etc.
Why are you wasting time screaming about the phantom menace when there are millions of black people being terrorized, robbed, raped, and murdered in Africa?
Oh yeah, that’s right! It only outrages you when it’s done by a white person, er, I mean, monster.
Here is the dilemma:
How do we fight racism without shuting down honest dialogue to the point where we don’t know how people actually feel?
In many cases, the dialogue has already reached the point where many whites don’t want to tell blacks how they feel on an issue - even when unrelated to race - for fear of being labeled a racist. It creates a type of hypocrisy and closet racism. Here is an example:
I went to school with a white kid that was (allegedly) “down” with black people and spoke slang. (Always seemed blackface-ish to me, even at that age, but I tolerated it)
One day I was lagging behind, and he was with his white friends and I overheard him say to them, “I hate those niggers”
Ever since then I have had a suspicion of these types of whites who - in my estimation - go too far to be “down”
My point is that I’d rather know exactly where a person stands - as ugly as that may be - than for them to be forced to pretend to be my friend.
That said, how does one PROPERLY fight racism without running into this problem?
Richards and his ilk have the right to say what they want (including the much more offensive part about the lynching) and we all have the right to not listen to them.
Sammy - to answer your question, yes, I would call them rich.
And I don’t know what Ann meant. I can only read what she wrote and she wrote that the word nigger should be used to describe those people walking around today who are descendents of people who owned slaves. Sure, some of them might be rich, or poor, or somewhere in between, and some of them would describe themselves as black, and others white, but do any of them deserve to be call niggers?
Also, I think that the use of the word is a big deal, and talking about how the word is used is a serious part of trying to rectify the terrible legacy of slavery.
Senatortombstone—let’s get clear here, please.
“arab muslims were and still are responsible for more racism and genocide than any other group of people. Thats a historically verifiable fact. The genocide still continues in places like darfur, Thailand, Indonesia, Turkey, etc.”
Islamophobic, inflammatory, and not true. Arab Muslims did not create global white supremacy, a system that has endured for six centuries, wiped out millions of people (even whole societies) fovever, and fuels a monstrous geopolitical system that dominates the Earth to this very day. White supremacy is so powerful that it has penetrated the consciousness of the very Arab Muslim world you denigrate here, through direct physical subjugation for over a century.
No, white people are not monsters, and they’re not evil. But white supremacy exists, and it rages. It rages in Michael Richards. It rages in Paul Mooney. It’s raging in your entire response to Ann. It rages in American society. And it rages all over the world, to devastatingly lethal effect in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the whole of Africa. White supremacy is EXACTLY what put Africa in the desperate state of survival it’s in today.
Until we all get clear on white supremacy, nothing is going to change. Nothing.
QUOTE: One day I was lagging behind, and he was with his white friends and I overheard him say to them, I hate those niggers END QUOTE.
Maybe he was trying to be down with them as well or perhaps he has multiple personality disorder?
JK
QUOTE: My point is that Id rather know exactly where a person stands - as ugly as that may be - than for them to be forced to pretend to be my friend.
That said, how does one PROPERLY fight racism without running into this problem? END QUOTE.
I don’t know. That’ a tough one.
Sometimes, even when people mean no harm or offense, they have opinions on racial issues like profiling, affirmative action, slavery reparations, etc. , that if spoken aloud, might cause them to lose face and friends. I think that people in this position can become frustrated, resentful, and bitter by being forced into silence and when they feel they are in “safe-zone” it is okay to let loose their frustrations.
Maybe your white “friend” felt that he had to act a certain way around you in order to be your friend? maybe he didn’t like doing that and it caused him to resent you and other black people?
All I know is that it would be awkward for both him and any black person with whom he were friends to ask them if he needs to talk “black” to be their friend.
It certainly isn’t your fault he talked that way and it sounds like it wasn’t a prerequisite for your friendship.
I am remind of Walter E. Williams, a black conservative economist who specifically tells white people not act like “damn fools” around him and treat him the same as everyone else.
I think one solution to this is for everyone to not start off a discussion assuming the worst about someone.
People can have differing opinions without being racist. I am in the fart northeast on the political compass, which is far, far away from most of you. I disagree with just about every opinion of the administrator and most of the posters as well. And yet, I am the farthest thing from racist.
Time for bed.
Good luck!
senatortombstone I agree with you.
Did anyone here actually read the interview done with Paul Mooney. He talked about his 25 YEAR friendship with Micheal Richards. He also talked about his emotions surrounding the incident and his conversations with Richards after the entire thing happened. They are still friends. He isn’t condemning Richards in any way, shape or form. He is condemning racial tensions specifically in the form of a single “hateful” term.
Ann, I have to tell you, I am definitly open to both sides of the story and am completely willing to see it froms other peoples points of view, but could you please stay relevant to the subject at hand and discontinue from wandering into elitest racial views about “caucasion” americans?
The changes being made surrounding community usage of the N word are grand and all but it can’t stop there. We really really need to get past color. I honestly believe that most of america isn’t racist in anyway shape or form. We need to begin to help everyone we can regardless of the color of their skin. We need to begin here (on our home soil) and continue on to other parts of the globe. Events currently taking place throughout the world are horrendous. That is nothing new.
Senator Tombstone:
I’m not accusing you of being racist, but I would like to know what makes you so certain that you are “the farthest thing from a racist”?I have never seen Rachel make such a claim in spite of her work - far more than I have ever done - to fight racism.
Please do not take this as an attack, but I believe that Michael Richards honestly believes that he is also not a racist either when he says it.
Some people think they are not racist because they have not lynched a black person, burned a cross on a black couple’s lawn or made one get on the back of a bus.
Just curious as to why you felt the need to say that and why you feel so strongly
I WROTE: Arab muslims were and still are responsible for more racism and genocide than any other group of people. Thats a historically verifiable fact. The genocide still continues in places like Darfur, Thailand, Indonesia, Turkey, etc. End quote.
Y. Carrington wrote: Islamophobic, inflammatory, and not true. End quote.
How is citing history islamophobic? Thats silly. By that definition, I can label you Europhobic.
Everything I said is easily verifiable. Do you deny the current genocide being perpetrated against the Black Sudanese Christians, animists, and muslims by Arab Sudanese muslims? Arab racism against blacks goes back at least 800 years before the Europeans became involved in the African slave trade and it still goes on to this day, 150 years after the Europeans of their own volition ended it.
Fact: slavery has existed in every human civilization
Fact: No civilization has ever worked to the end of abolishing slaver from the planet to the degree that Western civilization has.
Y. Carrington wrote: Arab Muslims did not create global white supremacy, a system that has endured for six centuries, wiped out millions of people (even whole societies) forever, and fuels a monstrous geopolitical system that dominates the Earth to this very day. End quote.
Oh yes, the entire world is toiling under the white mans sword. LOL! crazy
Arab supremacy has actually been wiping out civilizations for 14 centuries. Ever heard of the Hindu Holocaust about 50? Hard to blame that one on white people.
Y. Carrington wrote: White supremacy is so powerful that it has penetrated the consciousness of the very Arab Muslim world you denigrate here, through direct physical subjugation for over a century. End quote.
This is liberal conspiracist in you. The white man is responsible for everything bad and evil thing that has ever happened. EVER! White supremacists have mastered time travel and have gone back to every area spreading plagues, diseases, etc. It is true that the Europeans brought to small pox to the Americas, but it wasnt the Spaniards, it was modern day white supremacists who traveled back in time.
Y. Carrington wrote: It rages all over the world, to devastatingly lethal effect in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the whole of Africa. End quote.
Oh yeah, its them white supremacist blowing everyone up in Iraq, not the sunnis and shiites. Taliban causing trouble in Afghanistan? Wrongo! Its them rascally white supremacists. They sure do get around! LOLOLOLOL!
And the Taliban are effeminate feminists when compared to those misogynistic white supremacists.
Y. Carrington wrote: White supremacy is EXACTLY what put Africa in the desperate state of survival its in today. End quote.
Surviving whom? In Africa its Arabs against blacks and blacks against blacks. White people are doing nothing to Africa. After the Europeans abandoned their colonies, nearly every African country formerly under colonial rule has become much, much worse. And no I am not justifying colonialism, merely stating the uncontestable fact that Africa is suffering more under black leadership than itever has before.
Y. Carrington wrote: Until we all get clear on white supremacy, nothing is going to change. Nothing. End quote.
Youre right, because it is white supremacists that are flying planes into buildings, massacring villages full of black Sudanese, slaughtering Indonesia Christians, blowing up Israeli buses, murdering Thai Buddhists and Indian Hindus, threatening to nuke Israel and committing a terrorist attack every seven hours.
Senatortombstone, I’m not sure, but you read like a troll. I can see from the other thread that Eric Daniels was moved enough by your behavior to threaten physical violence. Why you are still allowed to post here when you’re so obviously a disruption is beyond me. At my blog, you’d be banned. But that is Rachel’s call, not mine.
As for your ad hominem filled rant to me, I’m not gonna dignify it with a response.
OK, I wasn’t thinking bi*** because I don’t associate that word with racism.
Senator Tombstone:
Like to get your thoughts on this cartoon
You think that this is racist?
I’ll start with what this post was about:
Personally I do not think Mooney’s stance will have much influence on most people. Mostly because of his previous stance, people do not like flip-floppers that’s all there is to it IMO.
Y. Carrington,
I Love it, so if someone disagrees with you the are a disruption and should be banned, sweet. Admin Y. Carrington doesn’t agree with me, so she must be a disruption ban her quick lol. How silly is that, I mean it fits in perfectly with what Tariq Nelson pointed out before,
“In many cases, the dialogue has already reached the point where many whites dont want to tell blacks how they feel on an issue - even when unrelated to race - for fear of being labeled a racist. It creates a type of hypocrisy and closet racism.”
The differece is that you labeled SenatorTombstone as an Islamophobic. I mean it is perfect if someone doesn’t agree with you then they must be a racist or some sort of “phobic.” That just ends the whole debate doesn’t it now.
Senatortombstone made an outrageous claim, that cannot be backed up by fact. He blamed Muslims for most of the world’s violence and then set up a handful of cases where some Muslims engaged in violent behavior– in this quote
I can think of many genocides and wars perpetrated by Christians, such as the Nazi Holocaust, the Middle Passage to the US, the Crusades, and the genocide of American Indians.
Tombstone routinely filters his view through his prejudices and racism rather than engaging in dialogue. Making preposterous claims that are not based in fact is his trademark, so his going to be put into moderation, and when he has something interesting I’ll let it through. But 90% of the time, he just runs through and tries to flame bait people with preposterous comments.
Tariq and Yolanda,
I wouldn’t even waste my breath on tombstone. He doesn’t response to logic, and he acts like a troll by making crazy assertions not based in fact. Nothing is going to convince him that racism is real……
He always comes in and moves the conversation 2000 miles off track, and tries to get people all fired up by making racist or outlandish assertions; thus, I’m removing him from the discussion.
Tombstone is in denial, no doubt about it,
However, it really isn’t Islamophobic to point out the fact that Arab Muslims were notorious slavers and made as much money as Europeans did from the slave trade Nor is it Islamophobic to point out that various genocidal campaigns of Arab Muslims which rival those of Europeans Christians that admin aptly points out.
Its just not relevant to the conversation here.
What Tombstone misses here is the fact that the idea of race based slavery began about a hundred or two-hundred years into the transatlantic slave trade. Africans became identified as slaves. Before that, whoever wielded the biggest sword and was the cruelest had people in their servitude.
But admin, you are right, I really think all this is meant to go 2000 miles off track to the point of being inflammatory and his motives are not to engage in dialogue. However, he is no less willing to engage in dialogue than our friend Ann, who has made crazy assertions on the other side of the spectrum, when are you going to cut her off?
I had the honor of meeting Paul Mooney in person, and we talked for about 20 minutes. He was really nice, and hardly anyone knew who he was in Houston. I did not even know who he was until a good friend had told me. Not using the N-word is definately going to jeapordize his career, no doubt about that.
It is good to know that there are people backing up not using the word though. It makes me feel good.
One can call Tombstone a lot of things, but he’s historically accurate about %90 of the time. He writes well and addresses his points one by one and clearly.
Historically speaking, a Black man has a WAY larger axe to grind over slavery with an Arab than he does with a white man.
I kno’ fo’ sho’ that most of Africa’s troubles TODAY are self-inflicted wounds made by leaders having the wrong answer to the quandry Europe left thier societies in. No, it’s not Europe (still), it’s those wrong answers that have Africa in trouble.
Hey, when is the last time you heard black society and Africa blamed for introducing Malaria to Europe?
Lift the ban on Tombstone!!
Sammy.
“One can call Tombstone a lot of things, but hes historically accurate about %90 of the time. He writes well and addresses his points one by one and clearly.
Historically speaking, a Black man has a WAY larger axe to grind over slavery with an Arab than he does with a white man.”
Rachel, I agree with Sammy.
Arabs have butchered, raped, castrated (does anyone remember eunuchs?) black Africa for centuries. Arabs have poured rapist blood into the veins of black Africans for CENTURIES. Enslaving black women for the sole purpose of concubinage which amounted to nothing less than a lifetime of forced prostitution.
Does anyone ask themselves why there is no black African influence in Saudi Arabia, just as there is in America?
Arabs destroyed every trace of native culture in their black slaves, and whatever culture the black people had before the slavery they were forced into, they were left with nothing, and the Arabs forced THEIR culture on their black slaves.
Even today Arabs think that they are “all that and a bag of chips”, but their hands are just as bloody with abombinations and atrocities committed against the black people of Africa.
Even today they still think they are ‘da bomb; but they are not.
They cannot get on a high-horse with black Americans OR black Africa (which would a better continent if their a++wipe black leaders would “attempt” to be LEADERS instead of being selfish greedy swines with their own people.)
And when one of them (Arabs) does a high-handed superior routine with me, I am more than happy to put them into their place:
“Your kind give not a damn about black people, except what you can parasite out of us. ”
And the fact that this “race” of people still persist in keeping the slave trade alive makes me wonder what part of Hell they plan on taking up residence in.
God does not like ugly.
And the Arab world will pay a heavy price for the gross inhumanities they have committed against black people.
Yes, they can come and live in black American neighborhoods, get situated, then abandon us to go over to the white man.
What else is new?
And so far, no apology on the horizon for the evils and cruelty they have wrought against black people. (well, at least with America, they have the same dismal track record on that.)
So, Rachel.
What do you say?
I rather miss Senatortombstone ( my little Massa).
Can he come back?
Hmmm wow so yet again another one of my posts is taken down, just proves my point that the Admin has an awful lot in common with Hitler and Stalin, if you do not agree with the Admin then you are a racist or you are a “phobic” of some kind. Like I said before Hitler and Stalin also put a stop to alternate points of view that they did not like. Hmmm I wonder if the Admin can articulate just why she keeps removing my posts? After all In none of them did I use any sort of racist remarks, I only pointed out factual points, hmmm you know just to see how fair and balanced her thoughts are. I suppose it doesn’t help that I pointed out flaws in her logic for banning or censoring posters.
Ann,
Nice to see that there are others who do not mind thinking for themselves instead of going along with whatever the Admin says about banning and censoring posts.
Joseph.
“Ann,
Nice to see that there are others who do not mind thinking for themselves instead of going along with whatever the Admin says about banning and censoring posts”
And I do not need your support in what I ask of Rachel.
I merely agree with Sammy in that Senatortombstone IS correct in his facts and assessments of Arab mistreatment of black human beings on this planet.
The Arabs are just as guilty as the white shit/niggers who enslaved my black ancestors, and like the white shit/niggers who enslaved my black ancestors, they will face the wrath of God’s vengeance.
So, save your agreeing with me.
I did not ask for it, nor do I want it.
In the end it is up to Rachel to say “Yes”, or “No”, in her decision to allow senatortombstone back.
Wow now I am sure it is really Ann, LOL sorry if my agreeing with you offended you so much. Hmmm but did you really need to call whites shit? And if you do not wish people to agree with you(or disagree for that matter) why do you write at all? And of course you are right it is up to the Admin. But you could get your point across without using racist remarks. Hmmm one last question though what is wrong with me agreeing with you? I may be white but I have never enslaved anyone, I do not hate anyone because of their skin color or ethnic background, I judge people on their actions. does judging people on their action make me a racist in your eyes or what?
Jopseph, to use the words of admin, I wouldnt even waste my breath on Ann. She doesnt response to logic, and she acts like a troll by making crazy assertions not based in fact.
She frequently comes in and moves the conversation 2000 miles off track, and tries to get people all fired up by making racist or outlandish assertions; like tombstone, she should be removed him from the discussion.
To her credit, she is often correct on historical facts, I’d say 85% of the time, but she is an asshole and probably a racist.
Joseph.
I had a few days to think over what I said, and I have an apology to make to you.
I was angry at the way senatortombstone and LL ganged up on me. For me it was just more of the same ‘ol, same ‘ol, when Curious, Douglas, and Michael (when he did) would gang up on me from months back. And for months I had been able to stand against their constant onslaughts. I kept my composure; I kept my “cool.”
With this recent scenario, it became the straw that broke the camel’s back.
I realize that I snapped at you in anger and I should not have.
In the past we have always had very civil and respectful discussions with each other, and never had we said anything to each other out of disrespect.
I never thought the day would come when I would stoop to senatortombstone’s level.
I definately NEVER, EVER thought I would stoop to the level of LL, to be so nasty and hurtful.
Of course I did not call you any names the way he did me, but, still, I was wrong to snap at you the way I did.
And my comments in my above post were definately out of line.
I do not consider you a nigger, nor are you shit. Nor do I consider you, or anyone on this blogsite who treats me with respect, as less than human.
I am asking that you accept my apology.
We have always had respectful discourse with each other in the past.
As I have with many other posters here. At least those who treat me with respect. And you have never called me any names or hurled any insults at me the way tombstone and LL have.
And I respect that.
I would like for it to remain that way.
And I definately will have to watch and keep from letting people like tombstone and LL get the best of me. I definately do not need to waste any breath, time or thoughts on people like LL or any of his ilk.
Sinking to their level only hurts me.
Joseph, will you accept my apology?
Ann,
Of course I will accept your apology, and here’s a lil’ tid-bit for you, when I first found this site I almost decided to leave and never put up a response to any posting, because at that time it seemed like everyone would just agree with any post put up, which makes a sounding board, not a forum of discussion. But you do not just blindly agree with anyone(IMO). That is what I respect about you and several other posters such as Tariq Nelson. I may not agree with you all the time, but you will back up your position with a logical explanation. Besides we all get upset and angry from time to time. I know I do.
Joseph.
Thanks.
Joseph, I stand by my position on Ann, just look back at my exchanges with her. You will see that any attempt at discourse or calling her out when she is dead on wrong is met with accusations and name-calling. When I have hurled insults at her they were earned and only in response to her unwarranted accusations against me and silly name-calling - she is consumed by hate, her posts speak for themselves. Look back at the previous posts and you will see. Additionally, I have little in common with Tombstone, but she lumps everyone who disagrees with her into the same category - if you don’t agree with her, you are in the same category as George Bush.
LL,
I agree with your points. My excepting Ann’s apology does not mean that I do not think that she feels hate towrds others, white males in particular. But then again that is one of the things I like about Ann, you know right where you stand with her.
I wonder if I am still banned?
Yes, you are still banned.
Hey SenatorTombstone, how have you been? Anything new going on? Where have you been hanging out since the ban? And just incase I don’t get to see you on here beforehand, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Merry Christmas to you, Joseph and every one else here as well.
I really haven’t done too much posting on any message boards lately.
I read some things that get me pumped up to write, but I always my inspirtion.
TTYL.